Stem Cell Therapy

Stephanie Grosvener 0:00

Good morning, everybody and welcome to the Healthy Living blueprint where we are discussing how to prevent treat and potentially reverse chronic and autoimmune disease naturally. My name is Stephanie Grosvener and this morning I have the absolute pleasure of speaking to Dr. Jonathan fields. Dr. Fields is an internationally renowned integrative medicine practitioner, as well as a martial and visual artist. He is also an author and public speaker, Dr. Fields drive an incredibly successful integrative medicine practice in South Florida, where he specializes in acupuncture, functional medicine, herbs, stem cell treatment, IV therapy, and the list can go on. He is an incredibly talented man. Jonathan, good morning. Thank you so much for joining us today.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields  0:53

Good morning. And thank you for that a wonderful intro, I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate all the great work that you’re doing, bringing all these people together and sharing with like-minded people who want some information on ways you can heal themselves naturally.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   1:08

Thank you for your kind words. And this, this event would definitely not be possible without the support and participation of you and everybody else on the panel. So I’m incredibly grateful for your time and efforts in joining us today. I am so excited for this call. Because not only you know, every time we interact, whether it’s through these interviews that we’ve done, I’ve been I’ve had the honor of doing a few of these with you, I just always learn so much. And not even just through the interviews. But you know, when I find myself in South Florida, you’re always my go to doctor for anything I need. So we’ve had a lot of fun in the past, investigating what’s going on in this body, which has been interesting.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields 1:52

Yeah, it’s you know, it’s a learning process for all of us. And we learn just as much from the patients that we do you know, about ourselves throughout the process. So it’s, uh, it’s fun, and it’s nice to be able to share this kind of stuff. And I’m very honored to be here. And it’s my pleasure as well to be able to give back and hopefully we can help other people learn.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   2:12

That’s the plan. That’s the plan. So you recently expanded your practice and have been specializing in stem cell therapy. So you know, congratulations, first of all, on the expansion, but stem cell therapy specifically is something that I’m fascinated about. So I would love for you to share more with us regarding the process what it is, and just starting with the basics. If we look at it. what is a stem cell?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields 2:48

Correct, so I’m, I’m glad you brought that all up. The science is fascinating. I’ve been very interested in for a long time as well, for myself personally, and also for the healing potential benefits, right? And what to see what the future might hold for these kinds of therapies. I think we all know that the regular allopathic or the western medical system has its drawbacks. I mean, for all the good that it does, there are certain things and we’re not going to talk into all the things that aren’t good, because we know there’s plenty of side effects and other things going on out there. But there’s just there’s limitations. Let’s put it that way. I have a lot of patients coming to me. And they’ve already seen a dozen doctors and some specialists, and they’re just not getting the result that they want. Or they’re not happy with the options that they’re getting, and so forth. So one of the things that’s been, I guess, gaining popularity in the last 10 or 15 years or so is the stem cell therapy. And the stem cells are basically to answer your question. Your body’s own natural cells, your body already has the ability to heal just about anything, right? What happens if you get a cut, right, you bleed, you scar, you heal, your body is intuitive. It knows how to do these things. You don’t have to try too hard, but the quality of the stem cells and that’s something that we talk about with patients also depends on the quality of your own health. So obviously, we’re all on different levels of health. So your cells, for instance, might be a lot healthier than somebody who eats six bags of Fritos every day, right and drinks soda. So, you’re going to have better quality stem cells. But the stem cells basically have the ability and there’s different types of stem cells and we’ll go into that a little bit because there is a big difference between the products themselves, but it’s the cells have the ability to heal and repair tissue, and they basically go in and they look for damaged tissue or damage, whether it be organs or nerves or any type of tissue and they go into basically repair the damage. So it’s part of your natural immune system has to do with your growth factors and cytokines and inflammatory processes in the body that are meant to protect you. So you have this kind of stuff going on naturally within the body anyway, we all have them. And what we do with the stem cell therapy, as we look at ways to concentrate these cells, and activate these cells, and then put them back into the places where they’ll make the most amount of difference, and have significant healing potential for the patient, depending on what it is. Does that kind of answer your question?

 

 

Stephanie Grosvener  5:37

It does. Yes. Thank you. And these stem cells sorry, this is a bit of a silly question. But these stem cells, do they regenerate themselves? Are we constantly producing new stem sick stem cells, the way that we do other cells are making the cells?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields  5:53

That is a really good question. And the answer is yes and no. Right? So we should, we do naturally, we produce them, we do have a certain amount in the body. Now, as we age, like many other things, they begin to decline to some extent. And then there’s other factors that can affect the healthier stem cells I had already mentioned previously, dietary factors. Obviously, if you’re not putting in good fuel in your car, your car is not going to go anywhere, right, it’s gonna eventually break down. So the same thing happens, your stem cell, there’s environmental toxins, environmental toxins can affect the quality of all of our cells, including the stem cells. So even everything from the hygiene products that we use to toothpaste, to fluoride in our water, or whatever can actually influence our stem cell and the stem cell potential. And then there’s things that like we’ve spoke about in our last interview, like stress, right? If you have, if you’re stressed out through the roof, and your cortisol levels, and your adrenaline’s running through the roof, and you’re not replenishing, or you’re not sleeping properly, that will also decline and weaken, or I guess, dampen your stem cells ability to regenerate and to concentrate and to reach their full healing potential.

 

Stephanie Grosvener  7:13

Fantastic. Thank you so much. And you mentioned that there are different kinds of stem cells as well.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields 7:21

Yes, so there’s a few different ones that we use, and there’s probably going to be more discovered in the future. I’m sure there’s things like hematopoietic stem cells, mesenchymal stem cells. We got a pluripotent stem cells, there’s embryonic stem cells, and all types of amniotic. Yeah, amniotic. I think I mentioned all these different types of cells, which is good to know if you’re looking into it and different cells treat different things. The type of stem cells and most people are probably familiar with are the ones that you see getting from bone marrow extraction or fat extracted, the fat extracted stem cells, as mesenchymal stem cells from the fat are considered to be among the gold standard other stem cells, and the procedure for whatever we and once again, people who are obese actually have a less quantity of stem cells, even in the fat nutrition. So and you could see it, you can look at the actual tissue, and you could see a difference in color and variations. And you can tell from the time and experience that hey, this person is not going to have the greatest quality, it doesn’t mean they’re not going to get the full healing, but it just somebody else’s cells might be better. Okay, so it’s the science behind all the different types of cells gets pretty complicated. The other one that’s very common is a PRP. So platelet rich plasma, which is one of the most simple processes, and one of the ways we look at it with the different types of cells and kind of look at it like fat is like the soil, right? If you’re going to garden, you can look at fat as being the soil and the seeds, there’s going to be the regenerative cells that we’re actually extracting from fat and bone marrow, okay. And the fertilizer could be PRP. And so one of the things we do is kind of we mix depending on the severity, and most people think of stem cells, mostly for joints, right? So let’s say if you have osteoarthritis of the knee, or the hip or the shoulder, in a patient is not ready to do surgery. Let’s say they need a replacement surgery, but they don’t want to do replacement surgery, for whatever reason, they don’t want to be out for the recovery time. They’re scared of surgery, maybe they’re too old for surgery, maybe it’s not really necessary. So some stem cells is a different alternative. So depending on the severity of the let’s say the arthritis or how much cartilage is left or you know how much bone and bone action is going on there. We can decide what kind of stem cells we want to do. The procedure the way I was trained by orthopedic, basically, if somebody is at their lowest amount of cartilage and the bone is completely arthritic, and they want to try something like that, we do a combination of all three, we actually extract the fat, and we extract the bone marrow. And then we have a very complicated processing technique to basically get into their highest level of concentration and activation as much as possible. And we do PRP or platelet rich plasma, and we do all three and we inject all three at one time into the joint. That way you get a natural potential out of it. And with the platelet rich plasma, I’ll kind of give you a quick example of how we separate it so people can kind of visualize that. We will draw blood from a patient and this is the most common one. And we have another procedure where we actually extract a multi or pluripotent stem cells from blood as well. So with the PRP, which you hear the PRP facial vampire facials, but they also work for joints and tendons. If you have tennis elbow, tendinitis. They use them for hair as well for like hair transplant and regenerate hair growth. PRP is like one of the lower form stem cells, it’s much less expensive and much easier of a process than doing like a full stem cell procedure like bone marrow extraction is a pretty serious procedure has to be done in a OR room. Okay, but with the, with the plasma, platelet rich plasma, what I do is I have a registered nurse that comes into the office, we take your blood, the blood gets spun in a centrifuge, and then it separates the plasma from the red blood cells. So in the two of this that you have this vial of blood, you put it into span at a certain RPM for however many minutes. And it separates the plasma and the blood. Plasma is about 55% of your blood and your erythrocytes or red blood cells and about 45% of the blood. And then you got about 1% of Buffy coat, which is the leukocytes and platelets. So you can actually see it from a vial of red blood, the white, yellowish, clear liquid rises up, that’s the plasma. The red liquid kind of goes down, and that’s the red blood cells. And then in the middle, there’s a little Buffy coat, it’s like a little thick white layer right in between the two. And that’s the area the highest concentration of platelets and leukocytes and all the growth factors and cytokines that are gonna help regenerate healing. So what we do is we get rid of most of the plasma, and most of the red blood cells and there’s different people have different processes, some people only use plasma and Buffy coat, we’d like to use a little bit of the red blood cells as well, because there are while it may cause more inflammation, rejecting it, right, so some people don’t like to do that, because they feel like the patient is going to have some increased discomfort. However, there are certain growth factors that are only found in the red blood cells. So if you’re eliminating one of those completely, you basically took out some of the healing potential as well. Just the patient might be a little less sore in the first 24 hours. So we like to use off, you get the basically the Buffy coats, the platelets, and you get a little bit of plasma and a little bit of erythrocytes. Our process is pretty interesting, we put the stuff in photonic light chamber after that, that actually activates the stem cells even more and wakes them up, makes them more active, more productive, makes them replicate stuff of that nature. And then we kind of inject that back, per se, you had a shoulder injury, whether it be a minor rotator cuff tear, or some mild arthritis, like PRP would be great for those kinds of scenarios, we can inject it right back, it can take up the eight months or so to get the full effects of the stem cells because they are still alive, they’re still growing, they’re still healing it, which is very different from the immediate gratification that we’re used to one of the doctor was thinking like you’re gonna get a cortisone shot. What people don’t realize, though, you keep doing cortisone shots, they raise your blood sugar, and they can wreak havoc on your liver, and new research and last couple years has actually shown that cortisone shots can degrade the joints even further. So while it may give you some temporary pain relief, and reduce the inflammation, you’re actually going to end up needing a replacement of that joint faster, and you keep doing shot after shot after shot of that. And doctors typically don’t warn you about that stuff. But it’s public knowledge. I mean, you could Google it, it’s you know, the information is out.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   14:23

I find that’s a big problem with a lot of the medical treatments. I didn’t want to say treatment but options that we have at the moment is there with that instant gratification that treating the symptoms getting rid of the pain immediately. Most of the time, you know, when we look at the long term effects that it has, it’s doing a lot more damage in the long run. So like you say, with the stem cell treatment, it’s far better off looking at the bigger picture and what’s going to happen in the long run and not just chasing that immediate that instant gratification.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    14:56

Correct and that’s why it’s a type of Regenerative Medicine and regeneration doesn’t happen overnight, right? And people, like you said, you know, with the instant thing you know, people are using one of the doctor, this hurts give me a pill fine, it goes fine. But you’re right, you have a serious long term consequence. Right then are, am I going to be addicted to these pills? What else are they doing to my dopamine and serotonin over a long time? Am I going to be chronically constipated from these bills? Do I have dry mouth from these pills? You know, how long is it gonna last? And the real problem, the heart of the problem is, you’re not fixing the problem. It’s like a band aid, right? If you have a leaking ship, you can’t just put a Band-Aid on it that eventually it’s going to pop off. And that leads me to the timestamp, right, where you go to the dermatologist and I have a rash, you put some cortisone cream on and it goes away. Yeah, but then two weeks later, it comes up on the other side, and it’s quadruple the size, you haven’t addressed the root cause of the issue. So this is one method that kind of helps address the root cause. And there are a lot of similarities to how acupuncture works, and how some of these other natural therapies work, which is why kind of drew me into this. And the science is fascinating. Now, the one caveat with this kind of stuff is people are like, Oh, well, you know, it’s not scientifically proven or this and that. And there’s there is some truth to that, right? But it depends how you look at right? The science is clear, like this stuff works. This is how the body works. So that’s scientifically proven. We’ll do an injection of this, takes all your problems, there’s not been enough research invested into long term, major studies, right? Because pharma, Big Pharma doesn’t they can’t make $10 billion on patenting stem cells, because for the most part, it’s coming from your own body. Nobody’s gonna go ahead and spend five years and a billion dollars to research this kind of stuff. So most of the research that we do have, a lot of it is positive, but a lot of it comes from case studies and things like that. So it’s not enough to meet the gold standard signs. Basically, we have these double blind, placebo controlled studies, we just don’t have enough of that yet. But that’s why it’s thrilling to be on the cutting edge of this kind of research and to actually, you know, it’s the end of the day. You know, what’s most important to me is patient outcome. I don’t care about public perception, care. You know, if everybody what people think. If the patient is doing better, if the patient feels better, then I am happy, and we did our job, and part of it is right, it’s not doctors don’t know people, yourself heal yourself, your body’s healing yourself, whether you do it through diet, or exercise or stem cells and I don’t care you know, you’re responsible for your own health and that’s part of that, I think what we need to get people more open to is taking responsibility for their health. And then like we talked about in the very beginning, if you are taking responsibility for your health, and then you go and do something like a stem cell procedure, or massage or whatever it is, your outcomes are going to be better and that statistically that is proven but it’s you know, it’s just a matter of time to be able to collect all that data and be able to do these systematic analysis and go back and do all this stuff and get it published. It’s a lot of work and there’s not one governing body or entity that’s taken up that task.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   18:23

Definitely thank you so much for sharing that with us. And like you say that, you know, stem cell therapy is fantastic. And I agree that the healing that we get from this is out of this world and extremely, really on the cutting edge of this technology. But what’s important with not just stem cell therapy with any of these different kinds of treatment methods is you know, understanding where the problem came from originally and making sure that you’ve made those changes and have that understanding so that the treatment can be as effective as possible and you’re not going to end up relaxing back into sort of old ways that brought up the issue in the first place. Does that make sense?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    19:08

It does and I’m really glad you brought that up. And this is a common thing I deal with my patients on a daily basis right? Because they come in for acupuncture or they come in for PRP or stem cells or whatever it is and they basically get their treatment they’re like okay, so I’m good now right? No, you still need to do all the you know, whether it be dietary things you still need to see a physical therapist or a personal trainer and work because if you wore out the cartilage in your knee because of poor form when you’re running or poor posture or something like that. And okay, now it feels better because we did the stem cell procedure and it’s great. That’s not going to last forever. That’s enough to get you out of pain so you could walk and so you could function now it’s your responsibility to make corrections. Are these muscles not supporting me properly? is my counterbalance non proper or am I you know, step up. in the wrong direction, am I doing something to further degrade the joint, right? Otherwise, you’re just strengthening that house. Right? And which is going to lead you to the same result that you started with. So I try to encourage people to realize all this stuff is basically the beginning of your healing path. And once again, it’s where the doctor doesn’t heal you, we don’t save you, you know, we might just be the middleman, we’re gonna point you in the right direction. And then your body’s gonna do what it does. And if you teach your body new things, and if you make corrections, your body corrections. And if you treated the same old way, well, yeah, you might get some temporary relief, maybe it’ll be burning your boat, probably not, you’re gonna end up in the same boat. That’s, that’s a very good point that you brought up.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   20:43

And that’s very true. And like you say, you as the practitioner, or the coach or whoever your whatever your role is, you can guide the patient, you can guide the client, you can be the GPS, but as ourselves, we still driving the car, we still in control of that wheel, we get to decide, you know which route we’re going to take. And hopefully you take the guidance, but it’s up to you as to as to way and how you want to do it. And

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    21:08

right, we have the same responsibility to ourselves as practitioners

 

Stephanie Grosvener   21:12

100% 100%, definitely. You mentioned a lot about using stem cell therapy for cartilage and joints and shoulders and all the rest but stem cell therapy appropriate to you? Or what kind of treat can it treat, as certain forms of chronic disease of autoimmune disease? What’s the extent of treatment that can be done with stem cell therapy?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    21:36

So that is one of the most fascinating things I think even more so than the joints in orthopedics. Because with the orthopedics, I feel like, there may be more options. But we know we can do acupuncture, we know we can do stem cells, we know we can do joint replacements, we know we can do cortisone shots, we know we can inject hyaluronic acid or gel into the joints, to lubricate them temporarily. We can do chiropractic, there’s so many different options. But a lot of times when it comes to some of these rare autoimmune diseases, or things like that, the options are very limited. I mean, you will look at a lot of them, they’re basically they’re just doctors instead of 20. There’s no treatment, which is a big part of the problem, too, because we know for a fact, scientific fact, placebo plays a big role on it. If you go to a doctor, and the doctor tells you, you’re screwed, right? That’s the worst thing you want to hear. And unfortunately, too many of patients come in, and the doctors do tell them things like that, like, you have no hope you’re never gonna get any better. There’s no cure, or there’s no treatments. And sure, with our new things, yeah, we can never say we’re gonna hear anything. But can we manage your symptoms? Can we slow down the degradation? Yeah, can we offer you a better quality life? A lot of times those answers are yes, and you’ve seen it happen, what you do with the coaching and the nutrition and all that, and we’ve seen it happen with exercise, science. And we see with acupuncture in stem cells, so we actually offer a type of therapy in our clinic, we have worked on multi potent adults themselves, which is they’re kind of similar to the embryonic stem cells, I’m going to talk about embryonic stem cells and some of the dangers with that and in just a minute, but multi potent cells can basically differentiate into any type of cell that is needed. So like as an embryo right? When you’re born, and you have all these little bundle of cells and your little microscopic little thing, how do the cells know which cells should make the kidney? How do they know which cells make a finger or a hair or an eyeball right? Those cells just have this innate ability in this intelligent design, they’re growing to do this, they know how to do so we have an extraction process, which is super complicated actually takes a whole day to process and it’s a I’ll talk a little bit about it. We’re currently doing it from blood also. And there’s other way to harvest pluripotent cells and multi potent cells can also get into more narrow, but it’s very different from the platelet rich plasma. We get we take the cells out there’s been multiple times they’re exposed to hypothermia, because the cold outs activate them, they go into hypoxic chambers that helps them replicate as well. They go in an ultrasonic vibration, basically cleaners where basically shake them off and breaks down the cell walls and makes them activate and grow and replicate as well. They go into the photonic light chambers that we talked about earlier. So it’s super, super interesting. And then we take this blood that’s been processed through all these methods and activate all these multi potent cells. We put it into the saline bag and run it as an IV drip back in the patient, so then it becomes systemic because it’s running through every vein. And we are reading the whole body and it’s gonna flush through all your organs and get into the brain basically, everywhere else. So then these types of cells that go and look for specific places where you have an issue, and they can actually transform themselves into cells that maybe are lacking or damage, as opposed to what we’re doing with the PRP, or the amount of hematopoietic or the mesenchymal cells where they’re mostly, you know, we can say, hey, it’s gonna help with the joint is gonna help with tendons, or maybe how we build a little bit of carbonate, whether or not it’s

 

Stephanie Grosvener   25:40

These are more like universal cells that will find

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    25:44

Bingo. That’s key word. So there has actually been some research, it’s mostly animal studies, once again, or, or in vitro studies. And they’ve actually shown that these types of cells treatment have helped reverse things like osteoporosis, and actually gain which is a like an autoimmune bone loss. And a lot of people suffer from, especially women, right, most menopausal osteopenia growth is very, very common. So they’ve shown and some of these guys said, bone density has been increased, they’ve shown results in tasks for like, diabetes, that some inflammation comes down, the pancreas, which are working better insulin production starts working better. They’ve shown to reduce severe and systemic inflammation. So once again, there hasn’t been any large scale studies. But this is how all assign starts. Doesn’t work. Because before we have asked where before we had any medication or vaccine or anything, at one point, it was experimental. And at one point, they said, Wow, this works really great in the lab. Let’s go try it on a bunch of people. And see what all you know, hopefully, it’s the point that it’s safe. And this isn’t totally safe procedure. And now that I brought up the safe word, I’ll just go ahead and put this out there. There’s a lot of experimental stuff going on with stem cells, that is very gray area. And that’s part of what gives the whole industry a little bit of a bad reputation and a bad name. Because just like any industry, whether it’s an auto mechanic or whatever, to put it on auto mechanic, there’s always people looking to capitalize on people at their lowest point, when they’re suffering. And there’s a lot of these treatments are not safe, or straight up legal, by the FDA in some of this stuff is happening in the US. And that’s why a lot of these stem cell treatments, you see they do come down in Mexico, like yeah, you gotta come with us down at Mexico. It’s not because it’s cheaper, it’s usually actually more expensive, is because the stuff is illegal. And, hey, if you try some kind of crazy dream man and you die over there, nobody’s responsible, you know, I mean, what are they going to do about it, good luck trying to, you know, get any sort of compensation or anything for your family or just it’s just not going to happen. So the type of therapies that I was trained to do and the type of therapies we employ in clinic, everything we do, is according to FDA guidance. Now, none of this stuff is FDA approved. Neither are vitamins. A lot of people don’t know this. Epidurals are not FDA approved, okay, but every doctor does it. They do a pregnancy, they do them for back pain, they do them, right. And so, we follow FDA guidance and FDA guidelines say that anytime you’re using a human cell tissue, okay? The cells have to be a tolerance, meaning it’s coming from your own body. You can’t take other people’s cells and inject them in yourself, you can and that’s what they do with the embryonic stem cells and other kinds of stem cells. But there are dangers, is it mostly safe? Probably, how effective is it? We don’t know. But all the procedures we do were basically the FDA guidance basically says they has to be immune or close family relatives, like a brother or sister, or a mother or father or something like that. And here’s some of the risks. If I take your embryonic stem cell, and inject it into my patient, or to me, how do I know you didn’t have some kind of problems with your DNA? How do I know that’s not gonna turn into a tumor? How do I know that’s not gonna turn into cancer and those cells are gonna grow? you know, uncontrollably and that has happened. It’s happened and there’s actually there’s a documentary and some cells now and it’s kind of scary and, but that just lets you know that you might you gotta watch who you’re working with. And always ask, you know, for calling yourself, people will tell you Oh, no, word and jelly is the best and embryonic stem cells, they’re the best. Sure, they also carry the highest amount of risk, and they’re not the best and your own cells are the better for you. There have been a few cases where people grew tumors. There have there been a few cases where people lost eyesight. There’s cases, I’m in a few groups on Facebook and others places. I actually, I had a patient come in last week. And they told me an MD that they were friends with, gave his wife, one of these stem cells, embryonic stem cell injection, or use for joint, whatever, perfectly healthy, early 50s never had any health issues other than, you know, arthritis. And three months later, ended up with an a brain aneurysm. So is it related? No, maybe I’ve seen other stories of people, they’ve had a stem cell procedure done, and their kidneys shut down, or something and as I’m saying we don’t know, when you’re getting cells from somewhere else. You know, there’s risk for can contamination as well. Age and process and, and so on, so on. So the safest, and most legal thing is to use your own self, that’s how your body was designed to do it. Right. Just like if you were to get an organ transplant, your body may reject that organ, you need medications for the rest of your life, make sure you know anti-rejection meds and that that stuff is scary. And it’s not worth saving a few bucks, or, you know, some snake oil salesman who tells you, that’s the best or your only option, like look around, be a conscious consumer and be educated when it comes to this stuff, which is why I’m really about being able to share this. I don’t care if people come to us or not, you just want people to be safe and not ruin this therapy. Because what happens if enough people have side effects, they’re just gonna tell us okay, all your stem cell dies? Everybody went out of business, no more research, no more not, then you’re done. And then who loses? Everybody.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   31:33

100%? No, thank you so much for sharing this with us. I’m fascinated by everything that you’re sharing. And I can definitely see the concerns and why it’s so important to make sure that you are going to legitimate source to a trusted practitioner, who is familiar with all these rules. And what you said that was so interesting, I just got a couple more questions I would like to throw in there a little bit. And you said when using the embryonic cells, and potentially, you know, the risks are obviously a little bit higher? Would epigenetics have anything to play any role to play in that? Because that’s so different with everybody? And you don’t know how the cells are going to react with that? Would there be a link there or not really?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    32:15

100%? That’s a great point. And the link is that we don’t know and don’t know is, like I said, we have seen some issues, there’s been a few cases where people have gone too much or things like that, because they you’re taking it from an embryo that was never born, you don’t know what that family line genetics is, maybe they’ve got 18 different autoimmune diseases in there. You know, maybe they have a family history of cancer, or stroke or whatever. And once you put this flurry potent, or multiple potent cells that’s going to turn into different cells in your body. And then on top of that, you have no idea how it’s going to react with yourself, what underlying genetic stuff you have, as well. So it’s almost like a contraindication like certain medications are contraindicated in a lot of times doctors don’t do a great job of cross checking medications between different doctors are the most prescribed and who, and you end up with issues like that in a lot of times, we just don’t know, patients come in and they’re on 20 different types of medications. And nobody has the answer to that.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   33:17

You can cross check the medications as well, but you’re not cross checking the DNA necessarily. You don’t know what snips that he was dealing with or which ones you have or you know, whatever the case is, you just don’t know, like you said how that’s going interact or react.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    33:33

Correct. And some people are more risk averse than others. And but unfortunately, the problem is, a lot of these doctors are one, “A” not honest about this stuff. “2” A lot of them are not even educated. They I mean, they went to Oh, we heard Oh, we heard embryonic stem cells, I went to the seminar, they said, it’s the best thing in the world. The science looks really good. I trust them. They’re making a ton of money. I’m gonna offer this in my practice. And it’s not that they’re evil, or they have bad intentions, but like everybody we can and it’s a business, you know, so they’re gonna sell whatever they can,

 

Stephanie Grosvener   34:09

for someone looking to do stem cell therapy. You said that FDA doesn’t regulate it unless it’s coming or unless it is your own stem cells. And you had mentioned earlier on in the talk, that some cells are obviously healthier than others. So if you get somebody who is sick, who is looking to do this treatment, but they have maybe been following a standard American diet, their stress levels are very high, would you advise to first work on getting the health of your individual cells up before going into the treatment? Or could you still do the treatment just wouldn’t be as effective? How does that really work?

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields   34:47

So that is a really great point. And the answer is both and it also depends on the person because as you know, some people want miracles, but they’re not willing to put the work in and some people, they just need to be pointed in the right direction. But I would definitely recommend somebody would work with somebody like yourself on the nutrition side and the coaching side, just so mentally and as far as the fuel that they’re putting in is, you know, yield better results as far as more harvesting cells, for sure. And there’s different supplementation that we use as well to kind of help the stem cells stay more active and be more organized. There’s potential for everyone. It just depends on how far they’re willing to go. And we usually, what makes our clinic different is actually that we kind of incorporate these other modalities like acupuncture and herbal medicine and, you know, most stem cell clinics don’t. They might have some other types of therapies, but it’s kind of like, very cut and dry, like, almost like a surgeon. You’re coming in for this, you get this and see later and good luck, right? We’re more holistic, integrative, and we want the best results. And we want not only because it’s gonna be good for us, and business referrals or testimonials, it is gonna be best for the patient. And it’s best for everybody. And obviously, we feel good, helping other people, and we want people to get the best results. So and that’s how we are trained. And that’s my background currently coming from the Eastern medicine and martial arts and the Qigong and all that stuff. We know that all that stuff probably make more of a difference in therapy, right or equal. Right? So will you have benefits without getting your other ducks in a row first? Yeah, will they be accelerated by working on those things? It also depends on the person, but some people have come in for these therapies are professional athletes or people that are actually on different diets already and in the gym every day, and they just want to get back to the thing. So it’s a case by case basis. But definitely, definitely, I’m so glad you brought that up, because it’s crucial. And that goes back to me once I’m referring out to, you know, exit, like we’ve heard of PTs and Chiropractic and then people are like, well, your acupuncturist, why would you refer me to a chiropractor and like, because I use the same chiropractor. I go every week, I see the same physical therapist every week, it works. And it works in tandem, it’s not one or the other, the more you do for yourself, as long as you’re working with good people, the better results you’re getting.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   37:27

that’s very true. That’s very, very true. And, you know, they say disease, or it’s not always one thing, it’s a collection of symptoms or collection of factors that add to that to that disease or that condition. And I feel like when it comes to healing and treatment, the same principle should apply. If you want to fully heal, if you want to get that result. It’s not just one thing you look at, it’s not just diet, it’s not just stress, it’s not just acupuncture, that if you take the same approach and combine a bunch of modalities, you’re going to increase your chance of healing, just wait just the same way that a bunch of factors together would increase your chance of disease, you know, so it works both ways.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    38:05

And the keyword I took out of that is one if you want, right, yeah, a lot of people think that they want. But once again, they’re not willing to do it. And it doesn’t always have to be complicated. You know, people come in and they’re terrified, we’re going to put them on these ultra-restrictive diets, and we’re telling you can never eat anything ever again. And that’s not always the case as you know. It depends. I mean, if we try everything and nothing else works and Okay, then we know, okay, maybe it’s time for a super restrictive elimination diet, and then you go back to what doesn’t bother you. But it doesn’t always have to be extreme. And that’s one of the things I tried to patients, you know, it’s a step by step process. You’re not gonna wake up like that, and be a different person overnight. Right? We didn’t get there like that. I know, my healing process was not quick. Your healing process, right. And for both of us, it’s still ongoing. And we still have challenges. So it’s, it’s a lifestyle, right? And if you want to get the full benefits, you’re going to have the, you can need to make some lifestyle changes, step by step. And our job is coaches or practitioners or clinicians is to make it simple enough and appealing to people so they can see one that it is number one, that it’s possible. And number two, that it’s not that hard. It’s not that hard. The hard part is us thinking that it’s hard and refusing to accept the fact that it is possible to fully heal and reverse a lot of these stuff. And also that you still may have some you know, that you might not be 100% but you know, there’s always room for improvement. And I think that’s my take away with most people. You know, people come in and they want to be black and white, like, Am I gonna get better? How fast Am I going to get better? You know what percentage you’re like, Well, you know, I would love to give you an answer, but I don’t know. It depends how your body responds to treatment depends how compliant you are with the protocols. It depends on your you know spiritual, emotional, relationship and so on and so on so we have to see how you respond but if you’re open minded if you’re willing to make changes you know you’re gonna get a lot better responses in the people that are coming in and just like yeah, shoot me right here and I’ll see you in three years right and the goal is always to get people better so they don’t have to come back, but everybody has a different timeline. And you don’t create that timeline, I don’t create that timeline for them. You know, part of it is give and take. Wait and see.

 

Stephanie Grosvener   40:39

So true, thank you so much for sharing that, that actually made me giggle. That’s very true. Thank you for your time today I have learned everything that you’ve had to share and all the contact details for Dr. Fields is on the page below this interview. So if you have any questions need any information, please reach out to him. I know him and his team will be more than happy to help you wherever possible. Jonathan, thank you so much.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    41:08

And thank you Stephanie. I had so much fun and I can’t stress enough how important this work that you’re doing is and bringing all these people together and I’m really so proud of you for everything you do in honor of Zen and I’ll always be there any way I can to help you along with the process and keep sharing good information with people on how they can heal themselves naturally and you know hopefully reduce or minimize the you know, the amount of drugs and medications and surgeries and things like that. Obviously some things are necessary but I always tell my patients and I believe that that all those things should be blasters. So anybody who’s on the same page it’s always good to talk to and I think you’re really good at it and I hope to see you keep growing and growing and more successful these conferences and so

 

Stephanie Grosvener   41:58

thank you so much for those kind words it really means a lot to me and your constant support and encouragement just means so much so thank you and the work that you are doing as well is out of this world any way that I can ever support I you know guys I’m not kidding, like get hold of Dr. Fields, he is phenomenal that you are probably one of the most talented people I’ve ever meet. And just the work you’re doing is changing the world. We need a lot more of this happening more frequently. So whenever I can support and I’m happy to.

 

Dr. Jonathan M. Fields    42:33

I appreciate it. I will let you get back to the conference and good luck with the rest of the speakers and I will talk later. Let me know how I can help out. Thank you. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you for watching.